No amount of flag waving will win back the lost Labour Heartlands, It was never about patriotism it was always about Democracy.
Repetition makes a statement seem more true, regardless of whether it is or not. Understanding this effect can help you avoid falling for propaganda.
“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels, it seems a shame a Labour Party Leader is using the same technique once carried out by such evil men on its own membership. Sir Keir Starmer is employing a technique that among psychologists known as the “illusion of truth” effect.
If repetition was the only thing that influenced what we believed we’d be in trouble, but it isn’t. We can all bring to bear more extensive powers of reasoning, but we need to recognise they are a limited resource. Our minds are prey to the illusion of truth effect because our instinct is to use short-cuts in judging how plausible something is. Often this works. Sometimes it is misleading.
In an interview with the Financial Times, Sir Keir Starmer claimed that the main reason Labour suffered its worst electoral defeat for 80 years in December because of “the leadership” of his predecessor Jeremy Corbyn.
Sir Keir Starmer flag waving stunts shows he just does not get it!
It was not flag shagging Lefties that lost Labour the ‘Red Wall’ and 52 Leave voting seats. It was not because they did not like Corbyn or socialist policies, it definitely was not because they did not want ‘Free broadband’. It was a ‘vote losing second referendum policy‘ pushed forward by the shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer that stopped Left wing Democrats from supporting a party that could not respect their vote.
If you can’t face facts you will never remedy the situation!
Starmer for some very strange reason now thinks the Leave voting seats Labour lost will come back to Labour if he waves a union jack. The very idea of showing the Labour party as a patriotic political party is not only a weak position its completely out of touch with the real reasons why Labour lost the Red Wall. The vote to leave the EU was always about Democracy, not patriotism.
Patriotism has always been a characteristic of socialism but it never meant waving a flag.
Socialist patriotism is a form of patriotism promoted by Marxist Leninist movements. Socialist patriotism promotes people to adopt a “boundless love for the socialist homeland, a commitment to the revolutionary transformation of society [and] the cause of communism”
patriotism is not connected with nationalism, as Marxists and Marxist-Leninists denounce nationalism as a bourgeois ideology developed under capitalism that sets workers against each other. Socialist patriotism is commonly advocated directly alongside proletarian internationalism, with communist parties regarding the two concepts as compatible with each other. The concept has been attributed by Soviet writers[who?] to Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin.
Lenin separated patriotism into what he defined as proletarian, socialist patriotism from bourgeois nationalism. Lenin promoted the right of all nations to self-determination and the right to unity of all workers within nations, however he also condemned chauvinism and claimed there were both justified and unjustified feelings of national pride. Lenin believed that nations subjected to imperial rule had the right to seek national liberation from imperial rule. And has Jeremy Corbyn once stated, “We don’t want to live in a European empire!”
Starmer has a disconnect with the people indicative of all political grifters.
The people of these regions had grown up listening to real socialist with real socialist values, people like Tony Benn, Dennis Skinner. People in Bolsover did not vote to leave the EU because they are flag waving xenophobes, no they voted out because the EU had no direct bennifit to them and others left behind but more so because they understand democracy, accountability and representation.
“In Britain, you vote for a government and therefore the government has to listen to you. And if you don’t like it you can change it.” But in Europe, all the key positions are appointed not elected. The Commission, for example, all appointed not one of them elected”. -Tony Benn
The Labour Heartlands where ripe for the picking.
The Labour heartlands were ripe for the picking, we had suffered most under the Tories, from Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland we had all felt the effects of deindustrialisation under Thatcher, what was left behind only battered communities devastated and abandoned.
The one hope came in 1997 and Tony Blairs ‘New Labour,’ we soon found there was no relief to be had. The Labour Party had moved away from the people, Blair declared: ‘The class war is over’ Labour had become an instrument of what Blair termed ‘progress’ A world later used to name the Centrist group within the Labour Party that still promotes Blairism.
“To liberate Britain from the old class divisions, old structures, old prejudices, old ways of working and of doing things, that will not do in this world of change. To be the progressive force that defeats the forces of conservatism. For the 21st century will not be about the battle between capitalism and socialism but between the forces of progress and the forces of conservatism. “
People soon found out the Labour Parties abandonment of socialism in lieu of the ‘progress’ was in actual fact neoliberalism for the Left this was telling not only in deed but in Blair’s own words when he later stated ‘My job was to build on some Thatcher policies’.
The one policy for many in Scotland, Wales and the Labour Heartlands Blair built on was neglect, this was reflected in the poor returns from every general election onwards.
The feeling of indifference and neglect was amplified more so with the people outside the metropolitan cities. We had been left behind. we had less investment less hope and less representation than ever before. Successive governments had done nothing to address the years of Thatcherite ruin.
Our communities where shattered our hopes destroyed. Margaret Thatcher had left a dark legacy that has still not disappeared. Here in the Labour Heartlands, we see the rusting shells of industry, we see the brownfields of knocked down factories the winding wheel memorials left to show we once had a community of workers and miners.
The people of the Labour Heartland voted to leave the EU to bring back accountability, to hold those representatives within Westminster responsible to the people who have placed them there, not for them to outsource that responsibility to a distant Brussels.
Tony Benn once said: “you have to differentiate between nationalism, which hates foreigners, and the right of self-government, which is a democratic argument”.
People had to die to win the vote not to give it away
We have always been patriots but not the flag waving unquestionable kind
Forty years ago the words ‘Labour Party, trade union and democracy’ were part and parcel of the very fabric of the people within the Labour Heartlands. Card-carrying and proud. These words expressed who we were as much as Friday night at the social club followed by fish and chips or a curry.
But when the party founded by the working class, a party whose foundations are laid in the principles of democracy, a party that fought for the working classes to get the vote to then turn round and tell us we voted wrong, do it again, that is a betrayal of all that has gone before and on that one thing alone it stopped countless thousands supporting the Labour party.
Revisionist all point out two things one they say they canvased for Labour in 2019 two they claim on the doorstep it was Jeremy Corbyn’s name mentioned not Brexit.
These statements have no bases in fact just hearsay, however, what is a fact that out of the 60 seats Labour lost all but 2 English where Leave voting seats.
There is no doubt on the doorstep some people were verbally opposed to the Labour Party and expressed their concerns at Jeremy Corbyn’s past, irrelevant of truth.
This makes it easy for Sir Keir Starmer and his propaganda machine to associate the lie with the “illusion of truth” associating it to why Labour lost the general election of 2019.
Starmer hopes his seeds of deceit, that whisper of a lie, will grow and becomes an “illusion of truth” It’s much the same lie as the Tory’s used against Labour after the ‘WORLD’ financial crash. They repeated the lie that Labour had brought about the financial crash so many times over so many years that an audible grown could be heard every time it was mentioned on programs such as question time. Unfortunately, the method worked and even today that very lie is still repeated.
Sir Keir Starmer trying to distance himself from his own bad policy
However when people sit back and critically look at what Sir Keir Starmer has claimed his assessment holds no water. Starmer’s accusation is unfounded but it serves him well.
It is in the former Shadow Brexit ministers interest to move himself and the Party’s away from the failings on his own Brexit policy and the vote losing second referendum. A clear vote loser then and now.
It was Sir Keir Starmer who way back in 2018 pushed what should have been a composite motion to stop a ‘Tory no deal’ into a second referendum at all cost policy. Even though on that very day Corbyn had said no second referendum.
The facts are 52 of the seats lost during the 2019 general election voted to leave the EU in 2016. The party lost eight Remain constituencies – of those, six were Scottish seats.
We were never going to be rewarded for trying to overturn democracy. Two-thirds of our seats voted Leave in the EU referendum, and these seats were more marginal than our Remain seats.
Below is the full list of seats lost by Labour in the 2019 general election.
- Ashfield, Natalie Fleet (replacing Gloria de Piero) – Leave vote in 2016: 70.5%
- Barrow and Furness, Chris Altree (replacing John Woodcock) – Leave vote in 2016: 57.3%
- Bassetlaw, Keir Morrison (replacing John Mann) – Leave vote in 2016: 68.3%
- Birmingham Northfield, Richard Burden – Leave vote in 2016: 61.8%
- Bishop Auckland, Helen Goodman – Leave vote in 2016: 60.9%
- Blackpool South, Gordon Marsden – Leave vote in 2016: 67.8%
- Blyth Valley, Susan Dungworth (replacing Ronnie Campbell) – Leave vote in 2016: 60.5%
- Bolsover, Dennis Skinner – Leave vote in 2016: 70.4%
- Bolton North East, David Crausby – Leave vote in 2016: 58.1%
- Bridgend, Madeleine Moon – Leave vote in 2016: 50.3%
- Burnley, Julie Cooper – Leave vote in 2016: 66.6%
- Bury North, James Frith – Leave vote in 2016: 53.7%
- Bury South, Lucy Burke (replacing Ivan Lewis) – Leave vote in 2016: 54.5%
- Clwyd South, Susan Elan Jones – Leave vote in 2016: 59.9%
- Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill, Hugh Gaffney – Remain vote in 2016: 61.2%
- Colne Valley, Thelma Walker – Leave vote in 2016: 50.1%
- Crewe and Nantwich, Laura Smith – Leave vote in 2016: 60.3%
- Darlington, Jenny Chapman – Leave vote in 2016: 58.1%
- Delyn, David Hanson – Leave vote in 2016: 54.4%
- Derby North, Tony Tinley (replacing Chris Williamson) – Leave vote in 2016: 54.3%
- Dewsbury, Paula Sherriff – Leave vote in 2016: 57.2%
- Don Valley, Caroline Flint – Leave vote in 2016: 68.5%
- Dudley North, Melanie Dudley (replacing Ian Austin) – Leave vote in 2016: 71.4%
- Durham North West, Laura Pidcock – Leave vote in 2016: 55.1%
- East Lothian, Martin Whitfield – Remain vote in 2016: 64.6%
- Gedling, Vernon Coaker – Leave vote in 2016: 56.3%
- Glasgow North East, Paul Sweeney – Remain vote in 2016: 59.3%
- Great Grimsby, Melanie Onn – Leave vote in 2016: 71.5%
- Heywood and Middleton, Liz McInnes – Leave vote in 2016: 62.4%
- High Peak, Ruth George – Leave vote in 2016: 50.6%
- Hyndburn, Graham Jones – Leave vote in 2016: 65.8%
- Ipswich, Sandy Martin – Leave vote in 2016: 56.5%
- Keighley, John Grogan – Leave vote in 2016: 53.3%
- Kensington, Emma Dent Coad – Remain vote in 2016: 68.8%
- Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath, Lesley Laird – Remain vote in 2016: 56.7%
- Leigh, Jo Platt – Leave vote in 2016: 63.3%
- Lincoln, Karen Lee – Leave vote in 2016: 57.4%
- Midlothian, Danielle Rowley – Remain vote in 2016: 62.1%
- Newcastle-under-Lyme, Carl Greatbatch replacing Paul Farrelly – Leave vote in 2016: 61.6%
- Penistone and Stocksbridge, Fran Johnson replacing Angela Smith – Leave vote in 2016: 60.7%
- Peterborough, Lisa Forbes – Leave vote in 2016: 61.3%
- Redcar, Anna Turley – Leave vote in 2016: 67.7%
- Rother Valley, Sophie Wilson replacing Kevin Barron – Leave vote in 2016: 66.7%
- Rutherglen and Hamilton West, Ged Killen – Remain vote in 2016: 62.4%
- Scunthorpe, Nic Dakin – Leave vote in 2016: 68.7%
- Sedgefield, Phil Wilson – Leave vote in 2016: 59.4%
- Stockton South, Paul Williams – Leave vote in 2016: 57.8%
- Stoke-on-Trent Central, Gareth Snell – Leave vote in 2016: 64.9%
- Stoke-on-Trent North, Ruth Smeeth – Leave vote in 2016: 72.1%
- Stroud, David Drew – Remain vote in 2016: 54.1%
- Vale of Clwyd, Chris Ruane – Leave vote in 2016: 56.6%
- Wakefield, Mary Creagh – Leave vote in 2016: 62.8%
- Warrington South, Faisal Rashid – Leave vote in 2016: 51.1%
- West Bromwich East, Ibrahim Dogus (replacing Tom Watson) – Leave vote in 2016: 68.2%
- West Bromwich West, James Cunningham replacing Adrian Bailey – Leave vote in 2016: 68.7%
- Wolverhampton North East, Emma Reynolds – Leave vote in 2016: 67.7%
- Wolverhampton South West, Eleanor Smith – Leave vote in 2016: 54.4%
- Workington, Sue Hayman – Leave vote in 2016: 61.0%
- Wrexham, Mary Wimbury replacing Ian Lucas – Leave vote in 2016: 57.6%
- Ynys Môn, Mary Roberts replacing Albert Owen – Leave vote in 2016: 50.9%
The Road to wigan pier:
“Democracy has always meant more to the northern working class!
A Yorkshireman in the South will always take care to let you know that he regards you as an inferior. If you ask him why, he will explain that it is only in the North that life is ‘real’ life, that the industrial work done in the North is the only ‘real’ work, that the North is inhabited by ‘real’ people, the South merely by rentiers and their parasites.
The Northerner has ‘grit’, he is grim, ‘dour’, plucky, warm-hearted and democratic; the Southerner is snobbish, effeminate and lazy – that at any rate is the theory.
Hence the Southerner goes north, at any rate for the first time, with the vague inferiority-complex of a civilised man venturing among savages, while the Yorkshireman, like the Scotchman, comes to London in the spirit of a barbarian out for loot.” – George Orwell, Road to Wigan Pier